Curse

olly123 · Jan 17, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Acidic Won

sure WoH is still viable in PvE.. so is heal breeze.. honestly i dont use WoH, WoH is soooo scarce in GvG.. HA its there mainly for the 50% spike heal (why not just use ZB?) and its in healing which makes heal seed stronger but in GvG.. WoH is a no no.. Ensign actually wrote 2 articles on why WoH sucks... somewhere out there..

he was talking about PVE, not GVG/HA, hence the sentance, "i was going into FOW"

but yes there are now beeter elites out there, ive sued wOH, al throguth proph and factions, but since i capped BL, ive used a BL hybred al the way. tho when my monk get throguth night fall it wil lb a ZB/healers boon build. but yes when ur outside proph, and maby factions, WoH is outdated, but if u only have acces to thoes to games, then its still the best healing elite out here

bungusmaximus · Jan 18, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Prot has always pwned in PvP, but it's usefulness in PvE was a bit more arguable at first imo).

Wouldn't say that, most teams i monk in i try to do prot where the other monk heals and the other way round. It adds something and u prevent overhealing. Monsters in high level areas do lots of damage which you cant counter with pure healing spells anyway.

Oren The Destroyer · Jan 18, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

As with all other elites, it can be good in the right situation.

Kyle · Jan 18, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I have been using [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill] when healing and [skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill] when proting. Healers boon is amazing. My orizon heals for 150 everytime. And dwaynas will heal through the roof if they have enchants and hexes on. ZB is nice because its a direct heal from the prot line. Also it being free when conditions are met is nice. Short recharge so easy to spam if you desire

i Valinor · Jan 18, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

i use WoH with holy haste, i find it a nice little combo its easy on the energy and quick to cast, i havnt got my monk far enough to get healers boon so i might change my mind when i get it. the only problem is when you cast another enchantment it drops holy haste.

XvArchonvX · Jan 18, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Wouldn't say that, most teams i monk in i try to do prot where the other monk heals and the other way round. It adds something and u prevent overhealing. Monsters in high level areas do lots of damage which you cant counter with pure healing spells anyway.

so, you are arguing the usefulness of Prot in PvE? How are you disagreeing.

A second prot monk does help in later areas, but most people just had 2 healing monks in early Prophecies days from my experience.

]SK[ · Jan 18, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

I favor protection over healing spells. One healing and one protection monk works nice in PvE though.

Bloodied Blade · Jan 18, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

FoW groups I'm usually seeing just run with 1 healer and 1 bonder...not much else in the way of support.

Flashy · Jan 18, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Healer's Boon monks get owned in HA by grenths or any enchantment removal...

I prefer WoH nearly over any skill used... I played with cute now known as MsN and they used a WoH instead of LoD, the fun thing is if you can play properly monk you don't need LoD against pressure

WoH also actually heals the hero and LoD doesn't, in GvG ZB is the skill to use same as in TA or RA(atleast as the big heal), since you get the energy back and you can actually use it on ureself...

PvE I kinda dislike ZB since u kinda get other monks healing the same target (omg there is ure answer if u take ZB in HA, unless u got good monk/team communication) and then you just lost 10 energy so u can't use Gift of Health and SoA on 2 other targets

and in the worse cases, find yourself without energy...

bungusmaximus · Jan 18, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

so, you are arguing the usefulness of Prot in PvE? How are you disagreeing.

A second prot monk does help in later areas, but most people just had 2 healing monks in early Prophecies days from my experience.

Early days of prophecies is a little bit before my time, I started playing when factions came out. Factions is the golden age of: assassin+afflicted soul explosion=splut making protection all of a sudden quite viable

LightningHell · Jan 18, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Actually, from what I was playing in the comparatively early days of Prophecies, they just didn't realize the power of protection. =P

More like, there wasn't really such a dire need of Protection.

Jetdoc · Jan 18, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

He spams both WoH and ZB regardless of under 50% health, though, so he doesn't get the energy back from ZB a lot.

Two elites? HAXXXOR!#!#!@!

Ensign · Jan 19, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

The title of this thread is misleading. Word of Healing was never a great elite.

Peace,
-CxE

VanDamselx · Jan 19, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by olly123

he was talking about PVE, not GVG/HA, hence the sentance, "i was going into FOW"

but yes there are now beeter elites out there, ive sued wOH, al throguth proph and factions, but since i capped BL, ive used a BL hybred al the way. tho when my monk get throguth night fall it wil lb a ZB/healers boon build. but yes when ur outside proph, and maby factions, WoH is outdated, but if u only have acces to thoes to games, then its still the best healing elite out here

I am a she btw

Maybe now I have to change my ways... with 2.5 million experience on my monk, we've been through a lot together. I'll just always have a special place for WoH =P

olly123 · Jan 19, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by booooYA

I am a she btw

Maybe now I have to change my ways... with 2.5 million experience on my monk, we've been through a lot together. I'll just always have a special place for WoH =P

was never to sure, on ur advatar :P. any way. i to will always like W0H, but atm, still havent capped HB, or ZB, blessed is my way forward * feels please some on quoted me

, eater i did something stupid or was clever for once, id go former

*

VanDamselx · Jan 20, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Word of Healing: Conditional healing increased to 15..100.

So what do you guys think about WoH with the skill balance? Is it still not good?

Backspace496 · Jan 22, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by booooYA

So what do you guys think about WoH with the skill balance? Is it still not good?

thats not a definite skill balance, btw.

ubard · Jan 22, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The title of this thread is misleading. Word of Healing was never a great elite.

Peace,
-CxE

you can ignore all other posts besides that one and you'll really get the most out of this thread.

anyhoo, my take:

LoD is like a an Elite Heal Party
WoH is like an Elite Heal Other

LoD is more efficient compared heal party then WoH is to Heal Other.
So already WoH fails.

WoH takes up lots of space on your bar. LoD = party heal + self heal.

GoLE Heal Party Healer's Boon can also be a really nice healing build. Advantage is you can catch the pve "spikes" with ease.

Back to LoD, it also has the added benefit of being an orison-level heal for anybody that has foolishly run out of casting range.

The quicker you learn that there are much more productive things you can put on your bar that Word of Healing, the happier you will be.

Flashy · Jan 22, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

hmmm

My PvP Monk (yes I refuse to use LoD, since people who don't know how to use channelling see this skill to be the best pressure counter)

1. Holy Veil
2. Draw Condition
3. Orison of Healing
4. Healing Touch
5. Word of Healing
6. Dwayna's Kiss
7. Healing Seed
8. Channelling

15 Heal - 13 Divine - 3 Insp

The point is (if you run a warder) that you need to put wards NEAR the enemy, so I can spam my heals around... Against pressure builds like Jagged Way you got Dwayna's Kiss on your bar for HUGE heals since they spread around loads of hexes.

Really it depends, maybe you can't use WoH... But I can and I will really take it over nearly any other elite...

People say like: LoD - self heal + party heal so u got 2 skills in 1
I say: I can catch spikes with WoH so I don't need Infuse Health on my bar + with channelling + the right positioning I should just be fine with spamming skills to heal the entire party... Don't forget ure not alone

theres a 2nd Monk with you so the healing should be going just fine through the party

@ Enisgn: Never a great Elite??? dunno but I seen many top guilds running it and I seen it loads in HA...

LightningHell · Jan 22, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Flashy

hmmm

My PvP Monk (yes I refuse to use LoD, since people who don't know how to use channelling see this skill to be the best pressure counter)

1. Holy Veil
2. Draw Condition
3. Orison of Healing
4. Healing Touch
5. Word of Healing
6. Dwayna's Kiss
7. Healing Seed
8. Channelling

15 Heal - 13 Divine - 3 Insp

The point is (if you run a warder) that you need to put wards NEAR the enemy, so I can spam my heals around... Against pressure builds like Jagged Way you got Dwayna's Kiss on your bar for HUGE heals since they spread around loads of hexes.

Really it depends, maybe you can't use WoH... But I can and I will really take it over nearly any other elite...

People say like: LoD - self heal + party heal so u got 2 skills in 1
I say: I can catch spikes with WoH so I don't need Infuse Health on my bar + with channelling + the right positioning I should just be fine with spamming skills to heal the entire party... Don't forget ure not alone

theres a 2nd Monk with you so the healing should be going just fine through the party

@ Enisgn: Never a great Elite??? dunno but I seen many top guilds running it and I seen it loads in HA...

Let's see what you're using to cover up for Light of Deliverance.

Word of Healing, Healing Touch, Orison of Healing, Dwayna's Kiss. It's worth it to mention that the latter three are really, really bad skills.

Nothx. Just use LoD for PvE.

And while Infuse can catch spikes, Protection can catch spikes as well. Prot Spirit/Spirit Bond/(pre-weekend) SoA anyone?